Mr Cooper Group Inc (COOP) Options

Now Who Is Being Braggadocios?

I’m happy for you.

Who Said I Design Bridges?

Civil Engineers design bridges!

Yes I Fully Understand That You Can’t Answer The Questions.

But, yes the MB needs to see the history of this Bankruptcy.

WMB was totally Solvent.
~+$40 Billion in cash reserves.

That is why WaMu is going to make you happy.
Yes this has taken too long.

LIBOR/CDS Derivatives are due to pay up.

Fun chatting.

Yes I have answered all of the questions that I have asked of others like you.

The document history and numbers proves me right.
I’m not bragging. I have done my homework a long time ago.

I racked the numbers in a spreadsheet.

Ron

No. But I am with you. And you’re not on ignore so slam away. I’ll see every word. I just won’t answer it.

JHD

Mr Big Business; You Didn’t Answer the Questions.

Please tell us about document #5885 fn 2?

The 363 Sales?

I have!!!

And more!!!



Ron

The Documents Are Not Done.

You keep asking how I ran a business—as if surviving in the real world is the same as quoting documents online. I didn’t need a college degree to lead hundreds of employees, manage multi-million dollar budgets, and keep a company alive through markets that chew people up and spit them out. I earned every lesson the hard way—with risk, payroll, and real accountability.

I respect that you worked your way through school—truly. But don’t mistake education for execution. I’ve made mistakes you haven’t even imagined—because I had the courage to be in the arena while others were still reading the manual. So when you question how I did it? The answer is: with more grit than ego, and results that speak louder than documents.

And remember if you’re right, I will publicly apologize.. you won’t because it’s in the numbers and numbers are always right..right?

JHD

Hey smart ass … the difference!

You design bridges

I cross them.

You couldn’t decipher a decent financial statement if it hiit you in the ass. And the more complicated part of that is knowing what to do next with what you have read.

Instead of doing something about it, you would design more bridges.

JHD

If You Can’t Read Documents,

Then How Did You Run a Business???

Your math is not working.

Are you jealous of people that went to college.
I went to college all on my own dollar!

I worked in machine shops to earn my money.



Ron

We Are taking about a Bankruptcy.

Not the stock market.

Again;
Please tell us about Document #5885 fn 2?

The 363 Sales?

Retained Earnings?
After running so many businesses you surely should be able to understand the February MOR.

WaMu is going to make you very happy.
Yes this has taken too long.



Ron

I’d stop interacting with Mr. Professor he’s way behind his tenure.

JHD

After this I’m done professor.

You keep rattling off document numbers like they’re sacred scrolls, but quoting file names isn’t proof—it’s performance. You say I haven’t posted anything related to the documents or the history of the numbers? Maybe because I don’t need to cosplay as a paralegal to sound credible.

I’ve built businesses, led teams, and traded real money through real volatility. I’ve felt what it’s like to lose millions in a single morning—and I didn’t run to a message board to recite court dockets.

If you actually understood what you’re referencing, you’d explain it. But you don’t—you weaponize complexity and call it intellect. That’s not being informed. That’s hiding behind PDFs.

So either say something real… or keep playing professor in your own lecture hall. I’ve survived things you haven’t even studied.

JHD

Guarantee....again as I said it will hit 130 and above before any distribution occurs or any of your theories will happen....I don't even have to guarantee it as it already happened once and as expected it dropped....

I ran a business for 35 years—multiple locations, hundreds of employees—and I still woke up one morning and watched $2 million disappear in the market. And that was after spending three hours every single day studying it before work. So when a mechanical engineer tells me they’ve ‘figured out’ the stock market like it’s a torque spec or a CAD model, I just smile.

Because the market isn’t a machine—it doesn’t follow blueprints. It’s a beast. It breathes, it lies, and it humbles you fast. Surviving it takes more than smarts

So you can outsmart me, but I out earned you I guarantee.

Now I’m not going to ignore you like so many here do but I am going to say I’m done answering your questions and you’re smart Alec Comments.

If we one day magically get a lot of money in escrows, I will publicly apologize to you. You have my guarantee..

JHD

Please Tell Us About Document #5885?

Or the 363 Sales.

Or your release regarding 41.6?

You have a lot of time to post.
But you have never posted anything related to the documents or the history of the numbers.

Yes WMI sued the FDIC for $307.02 Billion for “WMB and its assets”.

Documented!!

Not my problem that you were not reading the documents.



Ron

You are a smart ass. Call it as I see it.

You are down for the count so stop with the narcissism.. you educated mechanical engineer.
You are trying to justify your education.

Doesn’t work with me.
Better ignore me.. take the weak way like Bill
And newflow. Then you don’t have to face anything.

JHD

Go Milk the Bull Again.

You have proven that you can do math.

And don’t make judgments about my faith.


You lost again.



Ron

You are collapsing nuance into oversimplification. Derivatives are a broad category—not just ‘naked options’—and many are fully collateralized, hedged, or centrally cleared. Since 2010, they’ve been regulated under Dodd-Frank with margin requirements and clearing mandates, so the claim they’re ‘totally unregulated’ is outdated at best, misleading at worst.

Throwing out notional values like $363 trillion without context is fearbait. Notional exposure doesn’t equal risk—market value and counterparty structure do. The real gross market exposure is a fraction of that, and risk is spread across institutions, not concentrated.

And no, JPMorgan isn’t bankrupt. They’re the most profitable bank in the U.S., with record earnings, a fortress balance sheet, and the capital ratios to prove it.

You might be passionate, but that’s not the same as being accurate. Let’s keep the conversation grounded in fact, not bravado.

JHD

Derivatives are Just Naked Options.

And totally unregulated.

The Derivative Market is out of control.

The last number that I saw a year ago was $363 Trillion in Notables.
Five times the GDP for the entire planet!!

$83 Trillion in 2008, and JPM was the writer of 57% of the contracts.

Yes I have done my homework.

JPM is still bankrupt.



Ron

So you are an engineer. This is my point. It’s all about the numbers for you.. it’s why most scientists don’t believe in GOD.

No wonder you don’t deal in reality.

When you have run a business.. worried overnight about profit and loss.. paid business taxes.. fed families that relied on you.. THEN and only then will you understand NUMBERS .

And believe me…I’m fine with math. It’s context I care about.

I’d love to see the exact FDIC source where it confirms that WMB securitized $2 trillion and kept the full exposure. Otherwise, it sounds like you’re blending figures that don’t all trace back to one balance sheet.

JHD

The FDIC Disagrees With You.

According to the FDIC “WMB securitized $2 Trillion in RMBS of which $500 Billion was sold to F&F”.

Now do the math;
11.9% losses according to Globic.

Need help with the math?



Ron

Fair question.

Stock market.. land developer, and 35 years as owner of multiple auto dealerships with hundreds of employees.

JHD

You Have No Right to Know My Profession.

But I’m a Mechanical Engineer, UW.

I’m not afraid of numbers.

The numbers tell us the story.
That’s why I track the numbers.

And your profession?

Now answer your same question back.



Ron

Libor impacted many financial instruments, but tying it directly to WaMu’s bankruptcy claims or escrow assets requires a far stronger chain of evidence than you have provided.

JHD

You know little of the derivative markets. They are so complex even you don’t understand.

I think that and my financial team thinks that.

Again. What was your professional career?

Teacher?

Why are you avoiding the question?

JHF

I Have Completely Proven With Documentation.

Too Bad you were not reading.

#5885.
41.6 “Willful Misconduct”.
February MOR.
Preferred Performance Payments.
And more.

Others have opinions, but none have proven me wrong.
Yes I have proven myself right many times.

You; Please tell us about the Derivative Market of 2008.

I have!!
LIBOR is a direct proof of CDS Derivatives.



Ron

Dragoon76, Thank you. I appreciate your response and you are also, very welcome.

Pick is a lover of the present instead of some dream towards the future.

He makes much more sense than you.

JHD

Sir, you are confusing negative with realism. You repeat over and over your expertise but where you miss the point is.. you have no idea that anything will ever happen… wasted words..

If I may ask. What is/was your profession?

And please I will, and will also ask you to keep it civil.

Respectfully,

JHD

Guarantee or Just Your novice Bet?

Guarantee??



Ron

jhd, You Have Again Proven that You Don’t Understand.

The Documents.
RE, RA, … as stated.


Why is it so important to you to be so negative.
The simple documentation provides you with the necessary information that you are in the money.

Guaranteed by the Court.


Me… I just the reader.
Plan 6 LT for We.
Plan 7 was just for the Creditors that are all paid.



Ron

I bet coop will hit 130 again before any disruption happens....for old escrows....

No one can guarantee anything… no one can guarantee you that escrow is gonna get a thing. If they do they are a liar.

Mr. Cooper crew can’t guarantee tomorrow …rocket can’t guarantee what they’re gonna do once they assimilate redfin and Mr. Cooper group… I couldn’t guarantee even though I thought that my life would be great my wife would be healthy the rest of my life and she’s not.


Meaning? Life offers NO guarantees.


JHD

Can You Guarantee COOP will be above $130.


SOON?

COOP is only a mortgage servicer.



Ron

RE, RA, LIBOR. FDIC/JPM.

#28 WMIIC.
#29 WMI.

RE/DCR, DST*
RA/DCR, DST.

* FDIC WMB Receivership Claims.
WMI sued the FDIC for $307.02 Billion. The Dual Track in DC Court.
Adjusted FDIC numbers after ~$8B came back to WMI.
“$299 Billion for WMB and it’s assets” and liabilities have been accounted for.

Arithmophobia?
I’m not afraid of big numbers.



Ron

But Cactus has guaranteed a distribution now that he claims Coop no longer matters....distribution soon so he says......

I am Sorry to Burst the BUBBLES that a Lot of 'Over-zealous" Posters have been throwing out last couple of Days Claiming 'We will be Paid from LIBOR Settlement", and Now newly "We Will be paid $6B, $10B, or $20B as the F&R Promised" and On and On...I bet We wil be seeing these same Posts come April 15th 2026! I will be most Happy IF we get Paid anything at all before the EOY 2025 but I have 'wisened up a LOT ove rthe last 14 years with this SAGA"... How EVERYTIME the BA$TURDS EC/MW, tSG, WGM/BR, the SNAKE BK (Who , as the CEO of WMI-LT said before the Judge that :"He is a DOOFUS WHO DIDN't Know ANYTHING" - I don't know why that BA$TARD was Made the CEO in the FIrst Place - I want to get my Hands on that DECEPTIVE Ba$TARD ), The Sr.Creditor Hedge Fund "Gang of FOUR" 'Made Promises' to us Escrow-holders But they Conspired with the CROOKED Judge & SG and the EC/MW and ;DECEPTIVELY 'MADE Promises to us' about the "F&R' to 'MAKE US SIGN OFF on the Releases to JPMC & FDIC"....THEY all CONSPIRED to STEAL our Monies... MARK This POST, We will get NOTHING to Show for when April 15th, 2026 comes!

The Politics that these Scumbag Law Firms involved in to 'Weaponize the DOJ' against the Opposing Political Party (Republican Party) is Despicable, But in this country, most Law-firms & News Media & Big-Tech are 'liberals' and they have no scruples in Abusing their power against Political Conservatives.

BUT Regardless, of our Political spectrum, I feel we Escrow-holders should Sue S&G for 'Conspiracy' for conspiring with the Creditors (Gang of FOUR Hedgies) & the EC to "Defraud' WaMu Escrow-Holders of the :F&R Promised" Recoveries that the SG Law firm made to us in Conjunction with the EC 'o deceptively Make us "Sign OFF The Releases of JPMC and all the Ba$TURDS" Involved!

"I believe we escrowers are finally close to money. It may not be as big as some say, but 10 or 20b is very possible now."

Now , ALL Repeat: "I Believe, I Believe, I Believe, I Believe, I Believe....x Infinity"... I've been doing that for the Last 14 years now since May 2011 and I know a few others here have been doing that for a longer time than I have...IF Only we got paid a Dime Every time we said that, we would all be Millionaires by now...

I Actually Believe BK, The 'Gang Of Four' & MW were "Co-Conspirators" and STOLE ALL OUR "F&R Promised" Monies....So, unless we smoke them out from where they are Hiding, we can't get any answers....Now, In India they actually put Flaming Torches that have been dripped in Oil and put them on them Cobra Holes to SMOKE THEM OUT, IF the Cobras become too comfortable and set them Holes in people's Homes, to STEAL People's Lives....

Please Don’t Forget About Retained Earnings.

Now worth about $25 Billion at 75/25% between Class 19/22.

~2.5X Face Value for all Class 19 holders.

~$5.14 for each Class 22 holder.

Class 22 owns the Debtor’s assets.

Some of Class 19 are owners of the backing Trusts.
Another ~2.2X in addition to RE.



Ron

thanks xoom

"Minimum $6b. 75 25

25% = ??? FOR "U's" ??? Dollar wise ??? THANKS AGAIN"

6 x .25 = 1.5 $1.5 B for U's

$600 per PQ
$1.26 per UQ (presuming 1.19 B UQ shares released)
Approx
I know you always ask per UQ
For that just do a 25% of the total that is returned and then presuming 1.19 B UQ shares released, divide by 1.19 B
In this case
$6B * 25% = $1.5 B
$1.5B / 1.19 B UQ shares released = $1.26 per legacy UQ

FWIW

The company puts out public statements and files paperwork with the government saying the acquisition is going to happen. But we should believe that they're lying?

The company puts out public statements and makes statements in court documents saying there are no phantom funds coming back to escrow holders. But we should believe that they're lying?

Are you arguing we should believe them in the one instance and not the other? If so, why?

Out of line judges need restraining as well as those who thinks this is acceptable.

What an outrage! No court should abuse its power by blocking an abuse of power!

Do you own JPM stock...

Minimum $6b. 75 25

25% = ??? FOR "U's" ??? Dollar wise ??? THANKS AGAIN

$600 per PQ
$1.26 per UQ (presuming 1.19 B UQ shares released)
Approx
FWIW

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